because i don't think either party wants to cut spending that they regularly talk about and obama talked about cutting spending line by line. republicans talked about small government. but every year we look back and we say oh wow it's grown even more. i think there's going to be a lot of back and forth. it strikes me that that's obama's plan that he wants to get ahead of it, but the reality is neither party is going to do anything. that to me is the big scandal here. we're a constitutionally limited government yet it collects 2.5 trillion dollars a year. it strikes me that that's the scandal that not enough people are talking about, a limited government wouldn't need that much money. dagen: how do you think the debt ceiling fight does play out, however? again, if you have people who have nothing to lose, then they become very dangerous, if they're willing to put their necks on the line for this kind of fight, because there's this one and then the sequester and then the budget and then we roll on. >> i think we're going to see it play out the way we did the last time. a lot of drama. was